passed to disempower unions. they're having some trouble with high-income districts saying, hey, these school cuts are hurting us. >> how is he going to tell the story of any kind of democratic recovery in the state without mentioning the automobile industry? >> there's a lot of problems there. the people of ohio are really pushing back i think. i think that you say kasich who is an interesting character because he is not a complete party line guy. he offended the nra when he was in congress by not being a tow the line gun rights guy. charter schools are not performing well. privatization has been kind of a disaster over many many years now in ohio. let's not judge them too harshly. sometimes students have problems that can't be fixed.