this military -- there maybe isn't a military solution. >> we're 14 years into this, there's no public consensus. this is something jim webb is adamant about, wants to start a debate about these engagements. this is actually where campaigns really matter. the debate in 2004 and 2008 had a lot to do with -- i think democrats backed themselves into an afghanistan -- >> no doubt. it meant afghanistan -- >> had you to have a good war. >> how do you back away? >> i'm convinced the improving economy, foreign policy could be the dominant topic. >> if you look at afghanistan, iraq, now somalia, you are seeing area where there are attacks on u.s. trained troops. we're trying to stand up people there to fight these things. that strategy like this morning,