anything but this particular officer really says something. >> how about this, michael? have you ever seen tensions between city hall and police at this level? >> in the dickens era, there was a big demonstration outside city hall. but there was a sense the whole city was kind of that way at that time. i've never seen it as deep as this. this goes bone deep. it really does. to e]áy? it going to > i think first of all, the new york educate himself about police officers a little bit. he said the other day that it was only a small number of police. protests. and there were thousands of people shouting abuse at the police. police officers i know were streets with people going up and calling them murderers and racists. you have to start -- the mayor has to understand, they're hurt before he can start to reach out