they weren't over a box of cakes or something like that, you know? guy is a child molester wants to turn state evidence on someone or something. you know, he got knocked. these guys now, for a $2 rolly, he's getting mugged. i mean, come on. >> but stone used to be a bit of a menace himself in his younger days. >> let's just say i hurt a lot of people. it seemed to be the best way to get aggression out. i was taking pills, drinking. because back in those days, we had real liquor in here, not wine, not hooch. we had real liquor. >> stone used to be kind of a rebel. >> major robert cavanagh was a correctional officer when stone first arrived. >> me and stone got to know each other quite a bit when i was in charge of cell houses. i was the captain in charge of cell houses. i used to walk the ranges a lot. >> that's when it was fist fighting with officers was allowed. they opened up your cell door and told you to step out, it was punch for punch and forgotten about. there was no writeups involved. it was all about respect. get your teeth knocked out, next day, everything's forgotten about. can't do that now, though. now they call it spouse abuse. >> he would go around and drink, smoke, get in different kind of things like that. >> i was on pills. i was popping all these bull [ bleep ] pills. anything i could get.