that's the conversation i had with my son. and like i said, sometimes the truth hurts and that's why there needs to be a larger conversation so people understand i didn't say maliciously to my son, but it was my obligation as a parent that he was -- police, et cetera. anti-police, you don't hire bill bratton as your police commissioner. that's an absurdity. i think the rhetoric has gotten to the point of being beyond absurd and really needs to be tamped down and respectful. we all need to be mindful about what the priorities here in life are. our priority should be preserving and protecting human life, all human life. >> what are you looking for here so they get past this point? what does the mayor need to do? what does bratton need to do? what does lynch need to do here?