18-year-old in the case of a michael brown, has gone through and resulted in tragedy. so they've seen this. so for him to express it publicly, i think is something for those of us who sort of benignly go through a sporting event and think about oh, you know, how much touchdowns the athletes will get. sort of get clued in that these guys are more than that. they're raising an important issue that we're thinking about. >> professor dyson, what did you think? >> absolutely right. i thought that if this is representative of the police perspective, and this guy obviously, as a human being, we can say, i don't know him, but this seems seems like a decent human being. you're so dangerous and problematic. you hide behind an innocence and then you project a kind of invincibility that is good when you're in the heat of battle. but horrible when it comes to admitting that you need to be self refleblgtive and consider the opposite view.