he know? did he go back and look at the intelligence and evaluate it himself? he's just out there saying things that are assertions, not facts, not citing any record or evidence to what's in this report. when it comes to whether it's moral or not, that's a matter of taste and one's own individual morality. but this report shows it didn't do what dick cheney said it did. >> let's watch the two who know about it. mccain and cheney. they disagree about what the tactics used amounted to torture. here's senator mccain, followed by the vice president. >> you can't claim that tying someone to the floor and have them freeze to death is not torture. you can't say 183 times someone is waterboarded, and by the way, on waterboarding, it began with the spanish inc zition. it was done during the philippines war. we've tried and hung japanese