cycle, a lot of people said that these two things are really worth bringing this bill down for. chris van hollen said it's the only bill with the quid and the quo in it at the same time. so i think elizabeth warren will call them like she sees them and occasionally will make democrats uncomfortable. >> joan, will her presence in challenging some of what we're seeing as an opening shot in her challenging this bill, will she be a galvanizing figure for progressives around the country and impact 2016? >> oh, i think she definitely will. she's already a hugely galvanizing figure, reverend al. this protest, i don't think would have taken off without her. it got awfully close, and i was glad to see speaker pelosi join it. i understand the arguments for passing the bill. there was something terrifying about perhaps triggering another government shutdown. on the other hand, i was in the camp who said, i would love to spend a couple days making elizabeth warren's case, saying,