other examples. i can give you 20 examples. i can give you 30 examples of people that they released that went back on the battlefield and killed americans. >> and that's the point. we have to figure out whether we have a good system of interrogation. >> here's the context. you hear that horror story. you don't hear the other ten or 20 or 30 stories. they have to make judgments in real-time. if we went back to world war ii and dissected everything that american generals did, i promise you -- if you give me $40 million i can take any general and turn them into a war criminal. give me $40 million, give me the democratic staff, give me the intel in real-time i can turn dwight eisenhower, general marshal, winston churchill, i can turn any of them into war