program or was not fully informed as to its nature. and also the president relied on the memorandum advice and interpretation by his advisers, including secretaries and the cia director. but of course what the senate report also indicates is that all these briefings may have been undercut, or flawed, because the individuals reporting to the president did not themselves have an accurate understanding of what the program entailed. >> all right, albert mora, we're going to have to leave it there, but obviously there's a lot more questions on this and we'll be watching and following up with a lot on this particular issue. very, very dark day in america. alberto mora, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. joining me now is nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. thank you for being here, richard. >> my pleasure. how are you? >> good. richard, did the cia go rogue,