>> people should be able to come forward and let the criminal justice system pursue those cases, collects evidence and then decide. a journalist article making that deciding for us before all of the process has taken place is problematic. my only issue is if women do not come forward when they are victims and survivors of sexual assault, that's a big problem. >> or when they do come forward, you have seen victims rights groups in the wake of this "rolling stone" argument saying we've been set back 10 years, 20 years because it feeds the perception that women make these things up. >> that's not true. the question is who is responsible for that? the woman who made up the story and "rolling stone" who ran with it. >> but my point is in this case it may have been made up. we don't know. something may have happened to this woman. in other cases where it's not made up and there are real things, there are people in society who say women make these things up all the time. >> did she not make the up the