>> do you think it's true that police officers don't cover for each other, they don't ever spin things or say false things for each other? >> i think it's fun to say that and to perpetuate this distrust of police, but let's forget that both in the garner case and the brown case, that if either of them had complied with the police, that these might have had different outcomes. not that the outcomes are not tragic and that other than a police officer dying, the worst outcome that could come from these interactions. but let's not lay all the blame at law enforcement -- >> mr. claxton, you're talking about compliance in the case of mr. garner. mr. claxton is a former new york city police detective. what's your response to that? >> i think what mr. roorda is doing is what a lot of people make the mistake of doing and presupposing things as facts when they haven't been established by facts neither in the grand jury or in reality. to go further in specifically