>> he's not saying anything new. as he gets closer to running for president, which clearly he wants to do, we get louder and more vocal on this noninterventionism or this nonintervention skepticism that he's been pushing because when he does that he's setting up a bloody civil war. >> against the giuliani crowd. >> you know john mccain's head will explode, bill kristol, if he gets close to getting the nomination. ted cruz today, i think maybe tomorrow, he's doing a forum with bill kristol. >> it's bringing -- >> -- and the rand paul. >> i like it. and you like it, too. >> fun fight. >> april, let's talk about today's story and the horror up in new york with that -- look at the reaction we're watching. totally nonviolent as we speak at 8:00 eastern. your view of the whole situation?