mentality inside the kremlin that if you haven't been sanctioned by now, you don't deserve your position. the public reaction generally speaking has been nonchalant and defiant on the part of kremlin officials and officials in general. privately, it's impossible to know just how worried and pressured they're actually feeling because if they revealed that, it would be political suicide. generally speaking, no one seems to be concerned quite yet with the three waves of u.s. sanctions, joy. but that would certainly change if europe, with all of the hundreds of billions of dollars in deals that it does with russia, if europe truly cracked down, that would be a game changer. >> that said, jim, are russian officials continuing to distance themselves from the rebels despite reports that russian military have been training and even arming them ahead of the shoot down of the plane? >> reporter: yes, it's an interesting schizophrenia, i