play the sound. let's say the russians did indeed give these separatists these surface to air missiles. they're pretty advanced. this is not a sam 7 you put on the shoulder and shoot at something in the sky. there are radars. it's sophisticated. what does it say about -- in other words, do you think the russians care if they get more sanctions. they're pretty, you know, indebted now to these separatists and this issue. >> i think the russians care if they put on more sanctions. they reacted furiously to the sanctions that president obama announced two days ago on wednesday. so i think the threat of europeans following on those americans sanctions is a real threat that does bother them a lot. it will affect their economy directly. the stock market fell, the ruble fell. it will have a greater effect on that. the other thing i point out is the missile systems could come