crash. are recovery, reconstruction, black box analysis. joining me now here on "hardball," dan hampton, former combat pilot, daniel rose, a rose, military trained pilot, and aviation attorney, and james hall, the former chairman of the national transportation safety board. let me go to -- let me go to mr. hall now. what do we -- what further evidence are we looking for here if this tape recording, let's look at this tape, by the way. take a couple seconds to get this up. this is a conversation which was picked up by the kiev authorities involving a conversation between a russian officer, military person, and someone in the separatist movement in which the separatist movement basically the guy basically admits that he screwed up, or his phrase, f'd up the situation by hitting a passenger airliner rather than a military target. let's watch this.