altitude to air traffic control. that doesn't pick up a missile. >> so jim cavanaugh, they would have probably no warning whatsoever, just, you know, the reports are that they were shot down. u.s. officials are confirming now that this came out of nowhere for these pilots and they had no warning whatsoever? >> i think you're exactly right, eds. there is no warning an explosive device like a missile that a pilot would know they were hit. they would have seconds, minutes if that much before the plane goes and breaks apart and a 75 kilograms of explosive material in a missile like that so it would be a pretty catastrophic event and the fuel tanks will blow up and it will be pretty radical. as an old cop whenever we're doing a murder, we're always more concerned about the next murder because we can save that victim. what you talked about the prior piece, you're trying to divert