to quit, whatever. there were these two leftovers but the new chief, i think, is sincere in trying to get them on a better path. >> it seemed in your interview elkin was forthcoming. what do you think is the reason he was exposing all of this and is there other things that you think are noteworthy? >> he told me he felt betrayed by other klansmen who didn't back him up. he felt adrift. i think it was maybe a little payback involved. he said his life is an open book. he doesn't call himself a racist. he's a white nationalist.