which is what we tell our children to do. and many of these young people try to follow that good advice, but as your statistic at the outset indicated, with little success, only 4% of the children we classify as urban disadvantaged, low income at the outset, at 28 had a bachelors degree and only another percentage or so had an associated arts degree, even though 30% started college. >> that feels to me like -- that finding alone is going to be a little shocking to so many people. tianna, obviously you have three beautiful children who undoubtedly you help through school and you're telling them to, you know, achieve. are you surprised to find out that so many from your community are unlikely to actually make it through college? >> no, i'm not surprised at all. i'm actually saddened by the fact because, you know, a lot of people try hard every day, you know, but like i said, it seems like when you're in poverty, you're thrown so many hurdles your way, you know. i've met students before that