unaccompanied the right to a hearing essentially whether they stay or get deported. the president has to choose how much he adheres to that 2008 law versus what type of reforms he tries to implement and whether he can get those reforms through congress. so it's a very tough situation for the president. they requesting a 2 billion supplemental today to handle the case laws and border security elements of it. when you talk to the administration officials, even they recognize that that is just one step and that this is a humanitarian crisis that is going to last well beyond whether supplemental passed or not and no really good option at this juncture to deal with the influx of the children coming across the border. >> the president did visit the border in el paso in 2011. and also, i believe, in 2010, governor perry did greet the president at -- >> but that's kind of like saying -- i understand the white house is saying that, mika, and i don't mean to interrupt.