violent incidents in this particular year and that's a good number. they've been able to reduce violence to just about two a day. we saw a stabbing on the yard when we were there. all of that is gang driven and the result of what the prisoners call politics. it's absolutely impossible if you want to survive to not go along, to get along with the rules of the gang. >> we are just showing footage of the homemade shiv, you're talking about the violence. at the same time, this prison system is pioneering in so far as they have the new rehabilitation programs including meditation programs, victim awareness, insight and mindfulness counseling. you think about the sort of juxtaposition of these guys who are the shooting each other in the back and doing mindfulness classes and there's a cursory response saying there's no way that's going to work. what did you find? is it effective at all?