business lobby is very strong, they keep losing on these bills. >> what about moms shopping in the baby aisle and we talk about swing voters and, this is a suburban soccer mom issue. >> one would think this is a political contingent that would support saner gun safety laws in public. >> here in new york city if you walk into a department store or carrying a rifle, you can rob it or something, right? in a lot of states people hunt more often and they're in public view and it's not as rare and the difference would be here in new york, but i'm not sure that the constituency exists that is as powerful as the constituency that we're talking about here which is we believe we have the right to carry our arms wherever we go. >> let me ask you, michael because nick makes a point that there is a cultural divide and a geographical divide. what do we say to chris christie? that seems clearly a bid for conservative voters who are