take vacation? >> vacation. and like you said in the beginning, many workers don't have vacation, don't have paid sick days and so not having these actual federal policies creates an unspoken word across the board. >> there's a race to the bottom. countries say, you have to take 20 days, then everyone takes 20 days and no one's looking over their shoulder in the workplace who didn't take any time? >> that's right. i think there's a broader societal issue of, maybe it is the protestant work ethic on some level. there's definitely a sense that in this country we -- in other countries they work to live. we live to work on some level. and i see it infecting -- even when the president came out with this idea of grading colleges,