from the top. people have to be able to see their boss's boss, part of what i bring to this, is i am a whole and happy person. i spend time with my family. realizing other people around them can do parts of the work. that culture will begin to trickle down throughout the companies, that's what we don't see right now. >> i think it's a feedback loop. the more time you spend the work, that's where you get the identity from. it was interesting, i once found a futuristic -- an article in a steamer trunk, i bought at a yard sale once that talked about, a future is talking about the future from 1950s, and he was saying that the hardest thing for americans is going to be to learn how to deal with leisure time, technology is going to make it so that we only work four days a week. >> the jetsons. >> ultimately that cell of technology turned out to be exactly the opposite.