relatability, too. >> what do you mean? >> in this case i'm thinking back to when hillary clinton has given interviews talk about her love, shared love of hgtv shows and that's what we do. that's what regular people do. and there is a cultural relatability there and what transcends that is her record. what she's fighting for and what she cares about. >> sure, sure. that does feel like a different issue to me. whether or not she was qualified to be president. let me and this. you've been with candidates. i want just ask and maybe this is a little mean, but it did feel like this. we remember in an interview with e gwyneth paltrow said the regular job to have a mom is not as challenging. it's not like being a mom on set and people are like, excuse me, did you say it's easier to be a working mom than an actress, it felt like hillary clinton turned herself into the gwyneth paltrow