there for integration than there are integrated spaces. >> that's a great point. >> city governments don't give enough incentive and support for parents who want diversity for their kids. i often hold up the example of hartford and the surrounding region. through a lawsuit and multiracial coalition of city and suburban parents, that region, that region has built 48 magnate schools that allow kids from all different backgrounds, particularly disadvantaged kids to access high quality schools that are decoupled from where they live and it works. >> we've seen -- that's one model that's been successful. however, we've seen other models that were fairly successful that the roberts court -- these were voluntary models. the parents united case which i should say the principal of park