for that is that walker wrote an e-mail in his own words to karl rove explaining that there's a coordinated activity that his right-hand man, the former head of the republican party in wisconsin, r.j. johnson, a close campaign adviser of walker's is working with outside groups and coordinating the efforts and making a pitch to karl rove that cross roads gps ought to put big money into wisconsin because this is a nationally significant coordinated effort for this triumph of right wing groups and republicans in wisconsin. so it really looks like a slam dunk. i mean, this is the smoking gun that did not come out of the first john doe investigation. that is to say that walker was not only a target, but really at center of this entire event. >> did he use the word coordinating in that e-mail that he wrote to karl rove? >> he said -- yes. he said that karl rove is organizing this entire thing.