i think the negotiations we think are going on right now are primarily between chertoff and paul fishman to see what kind of bargain can be struck that would allow paul fishman, 74 years old, reportedly suffers parkins parkinson's disease, had a wonderful and profitable career, what kind of plea bargain could be struck so he would not have to die in jail. >> what do we think -- i mean, the political ramifications of this are even if this proves not to be the case, right, if something changes or they decide things fall apart, that it is precisely the uncertainty that hovers over the fact there's an ongoing criminal investigation that makes it extremely difficult for christie to do the thing he's trying to do which is turn the page. >> i think his chops as a politician are remarkable. >> i agree, actually. you've seen it -- yes. >> but once in his early january press conference, once this story was set that the bridge, itself, which is only a small part it turns out of the sewage,