in the first gulf war dick cheney was not in favor of going to baghdad. perhaps that and other changes in intervening years turned him by the time george bush needed sane sound advice in the first days into a remorseless relentless zealot. that zealotry you are watching there reinforced by the love of his daughter and whatever their ambitions are out there, it is zealotry and that's what we are listening to. this is not reason. it is zealousness. >> i studied it almost like the bible trying to figure out exactly what he is proposing. all he is doing is dumping on obama. >> sure. saying somehow if we left a residual force of a few how is soldiers, no one believes that. >> john mccain have been dumping on obama without saying anything they would do now. there is one line on the op-ed that i read and i had to laugh.