forest, the author of "the big fix: the hunt for match fixers bringing down soccer." that's really a fantastic figure that he is pointing out there about the tax-free gift that's being given to fifa to have the world cup in brazil. amazing. so are they really this ominous group that people don't know about? >> they are. you know about it if you're a fan of the game, especially in europe and asia and elsewhere, outside of the united states, where the game is number one. fifa is an organization that is beholden to no one, to no government, and certainly not to its constituency, its fans. >> hey, brett, can you explain how it's rigged. joe scarborough here, and the way fifa rigs it is, they tell any foreign governments that if they investigate fifa, their country will not be allowed to play in world cup-type tournaments. can you talk about seth bladder