certainly on these big anniversaries, the 70th, 60th, 50th. i think it was important for the president to put an exclamation point on the line we have to tell these stories. we have to tell their stories. 70 years from now, 700 years from now. to the earlier point you just raised about, you know, the young men who were here and many of them died here and climbing the cliffs on the 50th anniversary i was fortunate enough to be introduced to the son of the colonel from the 25th rangers who climbed those cliffs. the rick, was it colonel rudder? >> yes. >> i met his son and i asked -- i asked the boy if it his dad ever talked about that day, and he said, no, very rarely did he talk about that day but he would often mention one distinct memory that he had about that day, and this gets to, again, who we are and what we think