and continue to depend on to this day, and we'll fix it. >> for more reaction to that interview, i'm joined by michael lighter, nbc security analyst for nbc news. former director of the national counterterrorism center. michael, i want to focus on these guantanamo prisoners who were released. the five detainees were on the obama administration's list to be held indefinitely without charges. how big of a risk to release these detainees to qatar. >> this is significant, david. there's always a range of people in guantanamo, the low level fighters up to the other al qaeda operatives. these guys are very close to the khalid sheikh mohammeds. they are serious leaders. the deputy defense leader of the taliban, a key governor. these are people who helped lead taliban's relationship with al qaeda pre-9/11, helped fight against u.s. interests post-2001, and they will be in