that is with the republicans having fund-raisers with regard to the four deaths of our brave americans who died. i mean, it really is appalling. and even -- >> yeah. >> -- the families have told us they do not want this to be used as some type of political football. >> okay. now, the benghazi chapter seems to, i think, offer the democrats a pretty good guideline on how to respond to any criticism over her handling of benghazi. is this a good strategic move, looking forward to 2016, if she's going to run? >> it is probably is, ed, but i can tell you, i'm not going to, myself, as a ranking member, i'm not going to use any giend of guidelines except to seek the truth, and to defend the truth. whatever it might be, but i think anything that she pretends to us, which is her take on what