create the climate for the victory. that's what we're doing. what we're seeing now is we have reached that critical mass and america is ready for the victory that will bring this joy to everyone across the country. >> richard, do you agree that a state-based approach is appropriate right now? >> well, what we've seen recently is almost a tidal wave of decisions out of the federal courts in various states since the supreme court's ruling in the windsor case, which has proven now to be very important. and we haven't gotten the supreme court ruling yet that evan talks about, but it almost seems like now we may not need one. i think we probably will need one. but every state since the supreme court's ruling in the windsor case has -- every ruling has gone for -- in a positive way for gay marriage. so it's really been remarkable and faster than even we thought it would be. >> it seems like this was once a very contentious dispute whether