government, that has become quite unpopular in the state, actually. brannon is this kind of outsider gadfly. who do you think kay hagan wants to win this primary? >> i think there's no doubt they would see brannon as a godsend. but it is interesting, you look at that issue about climate denial. you might expect that to be a position that's held by brannon, someone who's equated food stamps with slavery, who's said that local property taxes, he's equated them president holocaust. he's rubbed elbows with some 9/11 truthers. that's the kind of view you might expect from someone from that tea party fringe. you might expect it from heather grant, who's one of the other candidates, who believes that the second amendment extends to owning a cannon in your backyard. but tillis is supposed to be the establishment candidate, right? and so for him to be openly endorsing this position, but he has a problem. which is the fact that he also puts himself out there as the leader of the conservative