of yulsly what incentive is there to get a permit if, if a law enforcement cannot ask for a permit. and that person produced a permit upon demand. the law does stay there has to be reasonable suspicion to be able to ask another crime being committed to ask for the permit. sort of defies logic in a way. that take as way from the officer safety factor. >> yeah, i think that makes sense. want to play for you the governor speaking abut the nra here. you can say that they are out front and owe any but what they're up to. they're not one of these secret groups, i will give them that. and they are so popular in some states that -- you have politicians who are more than happy, while doing supposedly public interest -- legislation to say, well this is really for my nra buddies. take a listen to the governor here. my position on this bill should not come as much of a surprise.