analysis. you criticize that, but also criticize them, saying there's a generational gap, saying they're out of touch. do you think you went too far in criticizing -- >> i didn't describe them that way. >> did you use the phrase generational gap? >> actually, it's a character -- one of the characters in the book talks about that. look, the scene that you're describing was a scene in which they had decided to kind of lift the tent a little bit and let people know what they were thinking about doing. they knew how controversial it would be. the controversy surrounding this book, it was -- you know, this was a controversy playing out at the time, when this case was first -- people first learned about it in this movement. yes, there was a group of people who felt that the movement had slowed down. people like cleave jones, who was the creator of the eighth quilt. and that younger people could see a future, you know, in a clearer way, and could ask for more. >> clearly some of that presents