then you compare him to rosa parks. do you regret that comparison? do you think that holds up to scrutiny? >> look, i'd like to answer the first question first. >> sure. >> when i say this is how a revolution begins. it's an insurrection. the entire legal establishment was opposed to taking a case to federal court. and for good reason that i describe. they were worried, they were scared there wasn't five votes. so this was absolutely a revolutionary step to take. and one that was very controversial at the time. and i think you're sort of seeing that play out now. >> but isn't it also fair to say when you describe this as languishing in obscurity, that flies in the face of stonewall going back to the late '60s, and the hawaii case in the '90s, do you think it's fair to say you downplay it too much? >> no, look, the book is about this case. that is what this book is about. that's how we sold the book.