that turned out to be totally true in areromney's case. he had to pay that toll and then ended up vulnerable on a variety of issues where he had to take positions way too far to the right. the question for governor bush and governor christie, put aside everything in their lives, is what toll will they have to pay? can they get through? and if they get through, what will be the damage inflicted on them? right now as they're talking in a vacuum, more or less, it's not a total vacuum. but they could be great general election candidates. once the battle starts, it's going to get tough for them to get through. >> nicole, you said before the one thing about the media that can be beneficial in a situation like a chris christie is it vets a lot of things and gets them ready to survive the job they're seeking. it lays out the path if they can face this, they can attain that job and get through it. >> and the vetting is -- and chris christie started in large