essentially the law of the land, the collateral consequences is what we're going to do when we deal with companies this size. >> at the other end of the justice system, we have a justice system that does an amazing job of taking people and making them criminals. >> right. essentially what we do is we throw a net over low-income and especially minority neighborhoods, and we -- especially with policies like stop and frisk. we bring in everybody, but we're looking for our guns and warrants, and if they don't have those, we're supposed to throw them back, but we often don't. we often proceed with ridiculous charges. i mean, i have a guy in this book who i interviewed who is arrested repeatedly for what they called obstructing pedestrian traffic, which is just being black on a tuesday night. that's all it was. >> on a street in which, as the details are born out in your reporting, on a street in which no one was walking at that hour. zblf it was 1:00 in the morning. the guy is a bus driver. he's coming back from work.