by and large, it's a very, very sharp divide between reality and this bizarre world. >> let me ask you my profound question at the end of the show. i bring it up in my last comment. what's the cause and effect here? everybody who watches this kind of program, especially this program "hardball" knows that hillary clinton is an extremely heavy favorite. she'll be hard to beat because of her track record, her resume, who she is, what she means to women, especially. and because she's a good democrat. are they thinking hey, we're not going to beat her, let's have some fun? let's go crazy? or are they thinking the country is willing to go all the way to the right to beat hillary clinton? >> i think the people who spoke up in new hampshire last weekend really believe what they believe. they really believe the country