ago, george bush hit that number and got 26 electoral votes, i believe. so the country has fundamentally changed. before when you talked realistically about how to win the presidency, we have to talk about how to realign the map. it's almost impossible to create a scenario when the democrats have the floor base. >> you know what's interesting, is you can separate rhetoric from politics. you can say one way to do that is to sound compassionate. you can say, look, i understand there's a lot of hard working decent folks who come to the country illegally for a better life, which is what jeb bush appeared to be doing. and that gave donald trump a layup in front of the clouds to get easy laughs. >> well, look, i think jeb bush to some degree is testing the premise of what the market would bear. i think he's very seriously considering watching, looking at running, and i think he's looking to see what he can survive with, and i think that's what he was about. >> that's an interesting phrase.