disappointed that it didn't go farther, that it kept the private insurance industry alive. now they're saying we've got this place and it seems to be working pretty well. do you think there's still a thirst there nationally for democrats to use the affordable care act as almost like a steppingstone to single payer eventually, or do you think that -- the appetite for health care reform in the democratic side has been satisfied with what's been done? >> i think there's an appetite for single payer. at least for a public option. but i was really thinking about this during the argument around hobby lobby, the supreme court case about whether or not employers need to provide contraceptive coverage. and it struck me as really showing the fallacy of this employer-based health care. why are employers getting involved in somebody's birth control decision? i mean, it's a very strange kind of intimate place for your employer to be. and so to take the employer out of it, to make it a place where everybody can go, regardless of what they need and get the health care without somebody sort of judging what they should and could be able to purchase in that employer's insurance.