far to try to defend her, but internally there was a lot of concern and confusion. >> yeah, look, here's the target, you can't say she's not an i.t. person, not writing the code, which is totally fair to absolve her as blame and valerie jarrett just on your show and president did earlier today, kathleen sebelius deserves a massive amount of credit for the 7.1 enrollees. s either one or the other. you get the credit and blame neither the credit nor the blame. she is as ruth said and rightly, no of course she wasn't in there typing in the code and figuring out why healthcare.gov doesn't work. but she is the person who's the public face of it. if it had gone swimmingly from the start, she would have gotten credit for it going swimmingly from the start. that's how it works. you don't get to get all of the credit and none of the blame. that's her legacy in this job.