ruling, she calls it a mystifying argument that they're making, she says that under new jersey state law, it's really clear, there's no constitutional defect. the legislature, if offered immunity, they can go after what they would like to get, and they don't have to be concerned about the criminal prosecutions all that much. >> and paul, let me broaden this out for all my nonlawyers. all this talk about immunity, you might start to think, is this candy? is this a mint you get that's handed out at the end of an interview? no, neither of the state inquiry or federal prosecutors are in a rush to give anyone immunity at this early stage. and if the prosecutors and the federal investigators, who have reportedly been taking these meetings, if they're getting someone, they don't have to necessarily hand out full immunity right there. tell us as a former prosecutor, there are other tools in their toolbox. >> oh, absolutely. this is why federal prosecutors just hate these parallel investigations, because, really, all the amateurs can do is kind of mess up your criminal