>> driving that transparency is important because the alternative is to ratchet everyone back and take away important technology. but the fact is that technology has driven spreads down, as made trading faster, has given assurances and some transparent sit to the individual investor and that's been enormously beneficial. >> you don't want to take that away. you have to distinguish between the computer and computer sacral ping. the technology has been fabulous for the individual investor. >> michael, i can't wait to read your book. i feel like the fellow who was in a haze over the affordable care act. >> still will. >> but thank you so much. what i'm feeling though is that this feels like the next generation of "masters of the universe." it's all hubris and this hot dog attitude some people have on wall street. >> i'm going to let that comment stand. we're going to continue it here, the book is "flash boys." that is all for our conversation today. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the