adequately regulate the entity it's in charge of regulating. we're going to come in and issuing subpoenas to make sure there's no criminal wrongdoing in collusion between duke energy and the state regulator. >> right. the u.s. attorney's office has conducted a grand jury investigation which began last week, and separately the epa is coming down to enforce the prevention of pollution of our waterways. it's just -- this problem has been a real problem for our state forever. we've got more coal ash ponds than any other state. we've got more hazard dams. we know it's full of toxins and contaminants and known carcinogens. it's been very problematic to me to watch our lack of regulation continue when we know we have this huge problem. and duke understood that the stuff was seeping out of its dams, its dirt dikes, and the department knew it, too. so it's just, you know, you got to wonder, if we hadn't had the spill how much longer this would have gone on. >> how powerful is duke? >> quite. i've never been able to get