he's pouring water on the seeds of transformation. catholics in the pews have been planting for years. before this pope we were going through a bit of a drought. it's an exciting time. to respond to cardinal dolan, tone is really important here, and we're seeing the tonal shift impact policies, maybe not church policy, but political and other policies across the world. >> well, e.j., you wrote about this, and your description was he has not altered church doctrine, but shift in emphasis has been breathtaking. really, you think it's been breathtaking? >> i do think it is. first of all, did you ever expect to begin this show as you did today by saying one was making the papacy cool? cool is not a term you usually associate with the papacy. >> not maybe since pope john paul went hiking in the rockies.