how much do you think that complicates the work of democrats and progressive democrats? >> well, i mean, you know, it's not easy. but i think that's why we've got to focus on the issues, right? if we've got to focus on paid sick leave, increasing the minimum wage, if you ask people how they feel about these core issues, they like them. in fact, you know, when governor christie was on the ballot last time, there was something that beat him, and that was the minimum wage. it won by 61% in new jersey while they re-elected a republican governor. so these ideas are very, very popular. let's get out of the personality contests and get into the issue debate, because that's where we really do win. they want to argue about, do you like obama, do you not, do you -- all this kind of stuff. let's talk about where are you on paid sick, where are you on increasing the minimum wage, where you at on making millionaires pay, making big oil pay their fair share? >> indeed. it's not about -- it's always going to be, to some degree,