lurking in the background who is obviously in this case the 800-pound gorilla. and the reason why i think a lot of these people are maneuvering in the state legislature the way they are is they're doubtful or uncertain or fearful of what testifying in front of the legislature will do vis-a-vis the feds. were they to get any kind of immunity, obviously that problem would go away. since they would be immunized for anything they say, except for perjury. >> and that is one of the things >> stan, guys, both of you but first stan, if you're the governor and you're watching this case, you're obviously circumstantially involved in this and certainly involved politically in this whole scandal, because it's all your people involved here, each if your fingerprints aren't on it. what do you think if you're governor christie watching these development. s today? you're watching a very tough defense attorney defending bridget kelly and probably defense attorney for stepien the came way, his campaign manager, fighting tooth and nail to keep from providing this information. that good or bad news for the